HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE?

Posted By: criscisco
Date: 6/9/2003 17:23

Hi All..I have been a member of either WSG or TSM since about 1998. Since that time I have gone on no less than 19 "MONGERING" trips through out the world..mostly East europe ,Brazil,Cuba,Columbia.

I immensely enjoy the trips, but I fear that "THE LIFE" has stated to consume me!!! For example, I spend countless hours pouring over old reports planning my new trip. Practicing my spanish or portugese with my Pimsler volume 1,2,3. going to salsa dance class etc etc. I work on my weekends off to earn extra vacation days so that I can have more time off for mongering!!

lest you think I am some sort of basket case....I am a proffesional in the midwest, and I am a fit athletic person.. By all acounts I would be a great find for some woman I.E. never married, no kids, relativly young, BIG PAYCHECK.

Which brings us to the heart of the problem . I HAVE NO INTEREST IN BEING INVOLVED IN THE AMERICAN DATING SCENE!! I Do not even consider going out on a saturday night to meet woman here is the USA ANYMORE!

All of my energy is focused on my next trip!!

After being involved with a good Colombiana/ Brasilada Novia and knowing how good that can be IMHO american woman pale in comparison!

Also after seeing my mom wring every penny out of my dad for child support / alimony I know I do not want to get hooked into that trap.

While my piers are getting married and raisng families I am reveiwing pictures of my conquests from CENTARUS and HELP..is this healthy?

Which leaves me with this......I can have about 6 trips a year and live it up!! which leaves me with 40-43 weeks sitting alone in my empty house

BUT hey.. I have a FLAT SCREEN PLASMA HD TV!!. (insert sarcastic tone) ..... .it all seems so FUCKING POINTLESS!!

I have gone so far as to consider selling it all here in the USA and moving to South America!!

IS THIS HEALTHY??? I think NOT I worry that "THE LIFE" is starting to have consequences..not all of them positive.

Anyone else out there feel this way, or am I half mad?

CHECO

But what about kids?

Posted By: quantumman
Date: 6/9/2003 22:28

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

I too am a convert to "The Life". But I want to someday have a child.

Are having kids AFTER you have discovered ìThe Lifeî a possibility? Seems like many guys Iíve met in my travels had kids before they started in this lifestyle. Or theyíve jumped off the mongering track to settle down with one woman.

I figure if I do have kids, it will have to be with a woman outside the USA, but to do the right thing, one should be with the kid, which means being with a wife. Granted, a Filipina or Brazilian woman might be just fine as a wife, but if "The Life" really means a woman in every port - and you visit those ports periodically - then ANY wife is going to be a problem.

I am in my mid-30s so I am not too worried about this now (I have a 62 year old friend who has a 2 y.o. with a Thai woman), but I can see it looming in the future.

Do I :

1- Marry a woman (with the best intention to stay together) and raise a family when I am in my 50s so I've had some time to "play". [One concern is that I may never want to stop ìplayingî.]

2- Marry a woman and have kids in my 40s but with the unspoken understanding that I'll bail after awhile if she doesnít like my "travels". [This is sort of a lie from the get-go.]

3- Just get girls pregnant and support them and the kid (I would NOT leave them in the lurch) but never worry about getting married. [One concern is that if she gets married (if she even can get married with a baby), will the baby be a bitter reminder of a bad past and be neglected/abused. Or perhaps I might never it seen again.]

Anyone have any experiences with these scenarios?

You are enlightened beyond your years!

Posted By: Sancho
Date: 6/9/2003 20:09

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

I came to the same conclusion as you but not until I was in my late 40's. You have the opportunity to do what I should have done many years ago.

The ex-wife always gets the house in the 'burbs and paying for the 2.5 kids never ends so in the end, you are REALLY screwed if you follow the path of your friends. Enjoy the life! Unless, of course, you enjoy pain. In which case, settle down, get married, have kids and get divorced. Then wish you hadn't done it.

It isn't for everybody

Posted By: ironbutterfly
Date: 6/9/2003 19:50

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

I have been on 13 mongering trips including Costa Rica, Brazil, Thailand and Cambodia. On one of my trips, I took my brother. He had a good time but did not want to go again. Within a year he met a girl and got married. He now has a three year old boy who he adores but he is miserable with his wife. Even so, he still does not dream of going again. Can you name three people in monogamous relationships who are truly happy? I cannot. My point in this is that grass is always greener when it is not your yard. Don't worry about the life that you are missing if you are enjoying your life.

And then there is me. I am always interested if it is possible to live both lives. My girlfriend is Vietnamese and has lived in the US for 12 years. Her English is marginal and she is 40 years old with a nice body and plain but attractive looks. She is still very innocent but not naive. Anyway, I have been on two trips since I met her. I will be going to Thailand and Cambodia in a couple of weeks and this will be the first trip that I will take since we have become very serious. She has three main concerns. 1. She does not want me to break any hearts. 2. She does not want me to fall in love. 3. She does not want me to get sick or bring home any diseases. I know that she does not want me to go but she realises that she has to take me for who I am or let me go. I wish I could have the best of both worlds but from everyone on this board I know that that is not likely. I do not know which side of the fence I will end up on. If I had to do it over, I would not have let myself come to love this woman and just enjoyed the life.

Good Luck

I understand all to well

Posted By: Platinum_Player
Date: 6/9/2003 19:30

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

I too live for the next trip. I travel far and wide in search of the next piece of foreign pussy. For example, this year (so far), I have traveled more than 100,000 flight miles is search of pussy (before the year in over, I will travel an additional 100,000 miles proprobably more). It is an addiction. I like wise have no interest in American women. I simply want to say that I understand.

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Posted By: MisterDamage
Date: 6/9/2003 19:19

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

It depends on what you want out of life really. Do you want the white picket fence, the 2.5 kids, pretty wife, nice cars and a big mortgage? If that's want you want, then you already know that "mongering" isn't going to cut it. But, I think you have already but your finger on it. Creating a full life in a TSM destination. Other than the "big paycheck", I am you. If I could spend a significant amount of time in Brasil, I would be there in a shot. I have lived outside the U.S. before and loved it. There is a huge difference between being a tourist, and actually living in a foreign country. You sound like a resourceful guy, if you can create a full life in some place like Columbia, Brasil, or SEA-- I say go for it. Try the road less traveled, it may be the magic bullet we all look for. Just MHO,

Damage

Well, now you know

Posted By: Tsm <tsmtravel@aol.com>
Date: 6/9/2003 19:02

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

why I bought a home in Cartagena and Sosua. Everyone thinks I'm nuts (esp Colombia and third world countries). My Jewsih mom thinks I should be put-away (why leave when you have those nice JAP's here to choose from -- UGH!!) l But now I walk around with a smile all day and can't wait to get on that plane again. Who gives a F_ _ K if I sleep with my cat here. Man, sell all that shit and move :-)

Bruce

Tomorrow my story on buying in the DR

Far from being mad, you have found the answer...

Posted By: Zippy
Date: 6/9/2003 18:12

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

You need to cognitively restructure your thinking- your epiphany to "sell it all and move to S.A." can be a very positive thing if you play your cards right and come up with an effective plan to make this happen.

I lived a very similar life to yours in the States, UNTIL I decided to be proactive and get the hell out. I was in my late 20's, college-educated with a good job, nice townhouse in suburban hell, nice car, etc. By all accounts, my next move was to settle down, marry some mediocre American women and make babies. Until the eventual divorce, that is....

But then I found TSM and went on a couple of trips. It honestly opened up a whole new world to me. I eventually dumped my gf, researched job opportunities in my field in South America, and eventually made the move to South America. That was nearly 2 years ago and I can honestly say I have never been happier. I miss virtually nothing about the US sans my family.

Anybody can do it if they want- it's just a matter of how bad you want this dream. The key is to find a job in your industry where you can earn a western salary in a South American country. If this isn't possible, you need to find a job you'd like in S.A. and then do whatever needs to be done to get the proper training/credentials. You'll then live like a king. It can be tricky but it can be done.

Your post really hits home!

Posted By: ThaiCRman
Date: 6/10/2003 07:56

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

I'm in my early 40's and can really relate to your post. Most Amercian women are money grubbing stuck up bitches. I feel the same way about the dating scene here in the states. I'm fortunate living in S. Florida there are many Latin/Caribbean women down here and it's a lot easier hooking up than it is elsewhere.

But the point is the same. I also spend most of my time racking up frequent flier miles so i get my 'free' ticket to my destination. I'm not as lucky as you to go 6 trips a year but i'm trying. I'm locked into a mortgage, which isn't a bad thing if you know anything about FL real estate. The long term goal is to eventually sell home and move to LOS or SA. Planning my next trip for first time to BA.

So you are not the only one thinking about selling it all. I am just trying to be sure when the right time is. Made a 5 year plan to either fully move or live 6 months in the states and the other abroad. It all comes down to finances. Hear to many horror stories of guys moving to BK and using up all their savings and relying on their teaching salary to live, going to beer bars and Not being able to play with the girls because of lack of funds aka lack of planning.

This always seems to play in ones mind...if i wait too long i will be old and not have as much fun and i go too soon my cash will run out. So cash flow is key and finding decent employment, even part time, is a must.

My hat's off to all the guys that made the move. it takes huge balls. Already did once in my life (interstate). second time is near.

My point; I just wanna be Happy.

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Posted By: dark
Date: 6/10/2003 17:49

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

No my friend, you have not ruined your life or gone mad ! Your one of the fortunate ones !You have not fell completly into the trap most guys fall into. Any intelligent man can see whats going on in american society today.

I also realized how pointless most of the things we spend our life chasing really are. After my first tsm trip ,I began to look at life very differently. Why should I waste my time chasing and trying to impress these liberated american women. When I could go to another country and get a woman twice as beautiful and half there age without the bad additude. Now I dont even look at american women when in the states. Like you I spend most of my time planing trips,reviewing photos of past trips ,learning new languages or in another country having a ball with beautifull young women and making some wonderful memories.

If I do decide to settle down, it will be outside the US. In the last six years I have purchase two condos that I use outside the states and have recently bought a beach front lot in the philippines were I will build a house in the next two years . I sold my home in the states and maintain a small apartment so when Im in the US I can have a place to stay and work. Its so funny to see guys in Los Angeles driving around in a fifty thousand dollar car or suv by themselves trying to impress the women. I just say, there goes a condo in rio or the dominican or an investment property that will give me more money to spend outside the states. Well ,I was like those guys too, until I realized what I really wanted .

My advice to you is to make some good investments and plan on moving to south america. You will never regret it !

"ENJOY THE LIFE"

Dark Gable

Thank You TSM

Posted By: legend
Date: 6/10/2003 23:55

Before I found TSM I was a man in turmoil, wife (now x ) 3 kids, house, dog, cat and all the problems and joy's of life. TSM changed my life IM 60 years old now and I now have a reason to keep in shape watch my diet. I have made 7 trips to Asia and I have found the fountain of life.

For all of you looking for the fountain it is inside yourself it is what you believe and how you believe in yourself. I believe that there are 10 or 20 thousand young lady's that are calling (hay handsome man) Do any of you know what that does to your ego. It makes me feel alive, wanted and needed. Now I know it's the money ,but who cares, I get to spend hours or days with some of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. Everyday I thank Bruce for TSM and how he has changed my life, there is a spring in my steep and a stirring in my loins thank you Bruce

Legend.

I Sold It All and Left

Posted By: DrJamesBond
Date: 6/11/2003 02:14

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

five months ago and have no regrets. I took my time and planned it out. As soon as the opportunity presented itself, I was gone. Where there is a will there is a way. I'm in LOS now, but am not ruling out other countries.

The ironic thing is that if I want to screw a young American woman, my best shot is right here as there are many on vacation and NOBODY pays them any attention. I'm 51 and picked up a 21 yo space case from Hawaii. We had coffee, I invited her to my room and she declined. However in the US she wouldn't have gone near me. Her rejection did not bother me since I simply called the front desk at my hotel and had them send up a slim Thai massage lady.

If you do sell it all and leave and it doesn't work out, you can always move back and buy it all back, whatever "it" may be.

A minority view

Posted By: Emeritus
Date: 6/10/2003 22:33

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

I made at least one TSM trip a year for over 30 years. The problem is what to do when you're at home. I dated and bedded dozens of American women and married one. Then I got divorced very cheaply.

Then I brought back a Filipina. That was a big mistake. I had to pay some money to get out of that marriage.

Then I dated and bedded a different American woman each month for over a year, did some TSM trips and stayed with an American girlfriend for several years.

Now I have a new American girlfriend and I hope we stay together for life.

Conclusion:

It's probably easier and cheaper to find sex and companionship with an American lady. You share a language, the same kind of education, similar life experiences and values. You appreciate the same music and the same jokes. If you have chosen the right one, she will adore you and will even pay her own way on every date except her birthday.

The Right One has her own income, no dependent minor children, a face and body that she has kept in shape since her twenties and wants sex every night.

How do you find her? Become lifelong Platonic friends. Do TSM while you wait for her husband to pass on. Be lucky.

BTW, with rare exceptions, all the foreign women want money. Even if they aren't full-time pros, they still expect frequent gifts. On the other hand,
the dozens of American women I've bedded expected little more than dinner and a movie. If you marry one, avoid having kids with her, make sure she stays employed and keep your money separate.

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Posted By: santiago
Date: 6/10/2003 19:46

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

Never apologize!!! American women have nothing to offer in my mind. I lived in South America four years and I'm looking to go back....Brazil if everything goes to plan. I travel to latin america months out of every year and always mix pleasure with my business. My girlfriends are always in the 18 to 25 range (I don't pay unless there are no other options). I usually can line up a date prior to going to a destination. I'm 40, but keep myself in top shape, am fluent in spanish, and have blue eyes. It makes it easy for me. Every day I think about how I can exit the working world so I can spend months rather than a week here or there in the places I love. If you every want a travel partner, let me know.

This Post Deserves the Pulitzer Prize (Poontang Division)

Posted By: Surfer <XTNsurfer@hotmail.com>
Date: 6/11/2003 10:26

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

Brother, if "ruined" means saved you from the overreaching and mostly frigid females that populate the US, then yes you've been ruined. I personally cannot fathom how a guy who has experienced real women can put up with the hideous substitute we have here in the US. Many don't know any better because they haven't traveled, and I can forgive them for accepting the HIDEOUS status quo that is dating in the US. But to each his own, and if every American male got religion imagine how it would ruin the ratios we currently enjoy in Latin America & SE Asia.

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Posted By: eddie
Date: 6/13/2003 15:52

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

I started mongering at age 20 when I joined the Army. At first it was Yellow fever with a hunger for asian pussy. Then jungle fever. The military life was perfect for mongering. The trips were paid for by the Army.

In my early thirties I felt the need to get married and have children. I discovered latin america. Married a latina from Honduras. Had a child. Still had monger fever. Got divorced after 4 years.

Volunteered for duty in latin america. Had seven years of trips to central and south america maxing out on mongering. Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, Honduras, Costa Rica, Venezuela...never made it to Brazil. Now getting the urge to get married again. Candidate list is long.

Once you have mongering in your blood, it doesn't go away. Getting exotic young pussy on a regular basis is an addiction. Once bitten by latina fever, a trip to Cartagena or Cali...there is no return. I would never marry an american woman, never. Now in my early 40's I have 20 plus years of mongering. No regrets.

My buds from the old neighborhood will never know the life. They are stuck in the rat race, the wives have grown fat and happy, the can only dream of what they missed.
My Army buds...the single ones are living the life...maxing out. The married ones...what happens on TDY stays on TDY. Think twice about having children...18 years or more of child support. That money can buy a condo or two...and some fine exotic chica who will make you happy.

My approach is 'moderation in all things.'....

Posted By: clactu
Date: 6/12/2003 15:41

In Response To: HAS TSM / WSG RUINED MY LIFE? (criscisco)

...I have a wonderful wife here; a grown, self sufficient child; a foreign girlfriend who is almost a nympho and loves me deeply and meets me several times a year in various exotic parts of the world (at her own expense (acutally she could buy and sell me many times over)); and several times each year I go to some mongering hotspot. In the interim the TSM site keeps me entertained and eager for more. Still I don't let any of the above run my life.

That's called addiction. Can it get any better? Enjoy the life. (Sorry, guess I'm pretty smug about the whole thing.)